Foreign students are a soft target for ICE. Any verbal or written comment they don’t like they make it a point to target this group of people at any time or place. ICE can be defined as a group of legalized thugs just like FF47 and his cabinet of Stepford sycophants. Or if you prefer a kinder more gentler definition then we can call them GOP Gaslighting Our People or still even better would be to call them Rethuglicans.
I love these discussions between Jen & Andrew - so carefully delineated! Thank you. A phrase from your conversation is really sticking with me: fundamental decency. Fundamental decency. We need a return to this state of being and of action, to how we frame problems or create situations. Fundamental decency is predicated on mutual respect. Otherwise we might just as well be living in a jungle, unarmed and defenceless. And fundamental decency also upholds our guiding principle: innocent, until proven guilty. Good heavens.
I find this discussion upsettingly euphemistic, if not biased. We are talking literally about the kidnapping, only committed by the government itself - well, government run by a criminal, the insurrectionist-in-chief. There have been other cases, and they all have to do with people defending the right of Palestine to exist - we talk of noble, courageous people with great moral integrity and sense of solidarity. And yet we are being told the two of them that we should tolerate free speech no matter how upsetting, as if we were dealing with some violent or racist wording - this stand is mind boggling. They then quickly turn to anti semitism, instead of talking of anti Palestiniasm - I don't how to call the generic threatening atmosphere in the US to people who defend the victims of genocide. Not to speak about the fact that don't talk at all about the genocide and what should a platform such as this to stop it - and this is arguably the main issue we should be addressing. Think about it, some 18 months of total destruction of people and land, committed by the full US support - and now officially presented as ethnic cleansing and annexation even by the Israeli government itself - and we keep silent, as children and women are being killed or mutilated daily, hospitals and schools destroyed, Gaza becoming dust and rubble. A report such this as this one has become a daily routine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVxP_Xr0c94. I am heartbroken by this failure of solidarity and empathy. To make things worse, this is at the same time the great threat to the US democracy, this complicit silence.
Great discussion ... I have really enjoyed and appreciated the discussions with Andrew Weissmann ... they are always enlightening. I wonder how long it will take until a specific government official(s) is/are held in criminal contempt or otherwise significantly punished for the government purposely ignoring court orders and rules of law. "I was just following orders" can't be a valid defense. The Nuremberg trials after WWII taught us that.
TrumpCo has been sidestepping other court orders regarding detainees and/or deportees. It will be very interesting to see what kind of a "constitutional crisis" occurs in this instance, when Trump refuses to comply. He will of course appeal all the way to Scotus, and it will remain to be seen how the majority splits hairs, trying to minimally rein him in (or not) while at the same time mollifying him.
I so enjoy Jen and Andrew‘s conversation. It’s full of information and clarity to those of us who don’t know the particulars of the justice system but more than that. It’s so full of heart and honesty. Thank you to both of you.
The problem is: damage done. Do you think she wants to continue her education here after this horrible trauma? Her life will never be the same. Her peace of mind is shattered forever. All I'd want is out. The extent of human collateral damage is completely discounted: by Trump, by the courts, by the media. Yes, there is "sympathy" for her from the latter two. But not the acknowledgement that this is permanent damage.
I may not have all the facts, but it seems Trump has picked all his executive staff from Fox News employees. I would estimate that if you add the combined IQs of the executive staff it would total to less than 200. I am NOT getting my news from Fox News.
These government lawyers are corrupt, intentionally arguing nonsense. They are not immune. Why can't the judge charge them with contempt? Disbarrment procedures should commence immediately in the appropriate states where these lawyers were licensed.
Oh, gosh, Trump+ friendly to Jews? Only if they buy his bitcoins.
Foreign students are a soft target for ICE. Any verbal or written comment they don’t like they make it a point to target this group of people at any time or place. ICE can be defined as a group of legalized thugs just like FF47 and his cabinet of Stepford sycophants. Or if you prefer a kinder more gentler definition then we can call them GOP Gaslighting Our People or still even better would be to call them Rethuglicans.
I love these discussions between Jen & Andrew - so carefully delineated! Thank you. A phrase from your conversation is really sticking with me: fundamental decency. Fundamental decency. We need a return to this state of being and of action, to how we frame problems or create situations. Fundamental decency is predicated on mutual respect. Otherwise we might just as well be living in a jungle, unarmed and defenceless. And fundamental decency also upholds our guiding principle: innocent, until proven guilty. Good heavens.
But HOW do you make them stop? This is the scary question today.
Don't those wrongly arrested have a civil action for false imprisonment--which is not subject to a pardon?
They might. Civil suits are not affected by pardons to my knowledge. Pardons apply to criminal convictions.
I find this discussion upsettingly euphemistic, if not biased. We are talking literally about the kidnapping, only committed by the government itself - well, government run by a criminal, the insurrectionist-in-chief. There have been other cases, and they all have to do with people defending the right of Palestine to exist - we talk of noble, courageous people with great moral integrity and sense of solidarity. And yet we are being told the two of them that we should tolerate free speech no matter how upsetting, as if we were dealing with some violent or racist wording - this stand is mind boggling. They then quickly turn to anti semitism, instead of talking of anti Palestiniasm - I don't how to call the generic threatening atmosphere in the US to people who defend the victims of genocide. Not to speak about the fact that don't talk at all about the genocide and what should a platform such as this to stop it - and this is arguably the main issue we should be addressing. Think about it, some 18 months of total destruction of people and land, committed by the full US support - and now officially presented as ethnic cleansing and annexation even by the Israeli government itself - and we keep silent, as children and women are being killed or mutilated daily, hospitals and schools destroyed, Gaza becoming dust and rubble. A report such this as this one has become a daily routine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVxP_Xr0c94. I am heartbroken by this failure of solidarity and empathy. To make things worse, this is at the same time the great threat to the US democracy, this complicit silence.
Great discussion ... I have really enjoyed and appreciated the discussions with Andrew Weissmann ... they are always enlightening. I wonder how long it will take until a specific government official(s) is/are held in criminal contempt or otherwise significantly punished for the government purposely ignoring court orders and rules of law. "I was just following orders" can't be a valid defense. The Nuremberg trials after WWII taught us that.
TrumpCo has been sidestepping other court orders regarding detainees and/or deportees. It will be very interesting to see what kind of a "constitutional crisis" occurs in this instance, when Trump refuses to comply. He will of course appeal all the way to Scotus, and it will remain to be seen how the majority splits hairs, trying to minimally rein him in (or not) while at the same time mollifying him.
Excellent. Clear, informative. And yes, distressing.
I so enjoy Jen and Andrew‘s conversation. It’s full of information and clarity to those of us who don’t know the particulars of the justice system but more than that. It’s so full of heart and honesty. Thank you to both of you.
Can she now or sometime sue for damages? If not, how else can the harmed or others rein in these gross abuses?
The problem is: damage done. Do you think she wants to continue her education here after this horrible trauma? Her life will never be the same. Her peace of mind is shattered forever. All I'd want is out. The extent of human collateral damage is completely discounted: by Trump, by the courts, by the media. Yes, there is "sympathy" for her from the latter two. But not the acknowledgement that this is permanent damage.
Always love these conversations. Thanks!
Fox News/Executive Staff
I may not have all the facts, but it seems Trump has picked all his executive staff from Fox News employees. I would estimate that if you add the combined IQs of the executive staff it would total to less than 200. I am NOT getting my news from Fox News.
Thank you for your wonderful insight Andrew. You guys are the best!
Americans have just about had it with ice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdugbR_f6n4
These government lawyers are corrupt, intentionally arguing nonsense. They are not immune. Why can't the judge charge them with contempt? Disbarrment procedures should commence immediately in the appropriate states where these lawyers were licensed.