Today in Manhattan, a federal judge will hear arguments over the legality of the detention of Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University graduate who organized and participated in pro-Palestinian protests.
Opposing Israel's harsh, if not inhuman, treatment of the innocent residents of Gaza is not antisemitic. It's all about what the State of Israel has inflicted on the 2 million innocent civilians who live in Gaza, where Israel just turned off their electricity.
Is it antisemitic to oppose forcibly exiling 2 million residents of Gaza to convert their land into a luxury watering hole for the rich and famous?
Have we abandoned our values to follow an egomaniac who never had any moral values to begin with? Trump hates all 2 million Gazans, not merely the militant members of Hamas, and he wants us to demonize them also.
Trump is mentally sick and filled with hatred. He's trying to make us believe that anyone trying the defend the 2 million innocent citizens of Gaza is only doing so because they are antisemitic. He's hoping that the same Americans whom he convinced to buy his lie that he won the 2020 election will buy this lie also.
Going after law firms that have represented someone you don’t like is a sleazy tactic. It’s everyone’s right to have their day in court no matter who they are. How would Trump like it if one did the same thing to his shyster mafioso lawyers.
"Now, I would like to know in what universe someone protesting on a college campus in a country with a free press undermines our national security and our foreign relations with some other country. impair that relationship if the government controlled speech and it would be seen as permissive. But we don't let the government control speech, which is why it shouldn't be undermining or promoting, frankly, anything."
Isn’t the First Amendment about protecting even repugnant speech? Government acts to punish unpopular speech are an anathema to a free citizenry. If the Trump regime gets away with this, we are all at risk.
Yes to all points. I took constitutional law the same law school that John Cornyn, second in command in the Senate, took but apparently the course did not take with him!
Thank you, Jen for a wonderful and educational interview. It gave me a much fuller understanding and appreciation of the First Amendment and of the ACLU's work than I'd had before (and I took First Amendment law with Archibald Cox in law school!)
And I love your beaded necklace you were wearing today ...
Yes, your necklace is pretty, Jen, and I especially was admiring your yellow top. It is such an uplifting color, very becoming on you, and along with your standing up for free expression in speech, whether or not we agree with the spoken idea, your video was provided added a bit of comfort in color as well as in explanations. I hope the person wronged will be freed soon and unharmed.
Thanks to you both. I could not agree more, but I fear our movement to save our democracy will be too little, too late. It seems to me like we are bringing a pen knife to a gun fight. Our countries legal (justice) Dept. is going to have to indict Trump soon or we can kiss our democracy good bye.
It is not as though there is any shortage on what to indict him on. Just turn on the 6:00 news.
Bringing a pen knife to a gunfight is the perfect description of what's going on. On the other hand, Trump can't be indicted for official actions, thanks to the Supreme Court.
It's beginning to look like there could eventually be a role for the patriotic military if Trump sends troops to arrest protesters, or something like that, that is totally unconstitutional and could be the beginning of the end of our democracy.
I "think" that could only happen if the Dems can somehow flip a few in the GOP to their side, so they can take back congress. They could then pass legislation to try to reign him in but that might take 60 votes in the Senate. In addition, the House typically initiates impeachment charges and a hearing and then the Senate would have to agree to review the evidence and vote on it, and right now the GOP control the House and Senate and won't hold him accountable, at all, in any way. This is my understanding. Fortunately the Dems would only need to flip a few GOP moderates, if they can find any with the courage is the problem.
How can we support Mr. Kahlil's wife? FWIW: Perkins Coie also represented Bin Laden's driver, Hamdan, for several years. Big law firm doing God's work.
Tangent, but speaking of universities...Dr. Lakshmi Chilukuri, Second Lady Usha Vance's mother, "has a demonstrated record of commitment to undergraduate education, equity, and diversity. She is one of the founding members of the pilot course in Race, Ethnicity, and Gender in Biology and Medicine, exploring the practice and philosophy of science from a multicultural perspective, the historical use and misuse of science in biomedical research and social policies, and issues of race and medicine..."
I wonder if her funding has been cut. She sounds like she should be public enemy number one of this administration given that her whole career is foundational to establishing a gender- and racial-equity lens on biomedical research.🧐 Is she proud of son-in-law JD Vance?
The government has not provided a lot of information about this case the speaker says. This suggests that they acted at the behest of Trump on his knee-jerk request. Now they are scrambling to find something that they can attribute as reasoning even if it wasn't there when they made the decision to incarcerate him. Justification after the fact. I think there are rules about this.
Mahmoud Khalil has been served with an NTA in Louisiana which means that he is now in Immigration proceedings to revoke his green card. Not sure what the exact charges are. (h/t @innercitypressinsta)
Good News:
He will not be deported in the foreseeable future
Bad News:
He probably will be in custody for the next 3-5 years.
Opposing Israel's harsh, if not inhuman, treatment of the innocent residents of Gaza is not antisemitic. It's all about what the State of Israel has inflicted on the 2 million innocent civilians who live in Gaza, where Israel just turned off their electricity.
Is it antisemitic to oppose forcibly exiling 2 million residents of Gaza to convert their land into a luxury watering hole for the rich and famous?
Have we abandoned our values to follow an egomaniac who never had any moral values to begin with? Trump hates all 2 million Gazans, not merely the militant members of Hamas, and he wants us to demonize them also.
Trump is mentally sick and filled with hatred. He's trying to make us believe that anyone trying the defend the 2 million innocent citizens of Gaza is only doing so because they are antisemitic. He's hoping that the same Americans whom he convinced to buy his lie that he won the 2020 election will buy this lie also.
Going after law firms that have represented someone you don’t like is a sleazy tactic. It’s everyone’s right to have their day in court no matter who they are. How would Trump like it if one did the same thing to his shyster mafioso lawyers.
Thank you Ms. Rubin. Appreciate your work.
You made an excellent point Jen:
"Now, I would like to know in what universe someone protesting on a college campus in a country with a free press undermines our national security and our foreign relations with some other country. impair that relationship if the government controlled speech and it would be seen as permissive. But we don't let the government control speech, which is why it shouldn't be undermining or promoting, frankly, anything."
Perfect!
Kent State! It’s happened before
I was a senior in HS and still remember that awful day. I grew up 40 miles away.
I, too, was a senior in high school. It was a consequential year.
Yes, was at a nearby university and we were aghast (but not gassed) when we protested. Ohio still suspect.
Isn’t the First Amendment about protecting even repugnant speech? Government acts to punish unpopular speech are an anathema to a free citizenry. If the Trump regime gets away with this, we are all at risk.
Yes to all points. I took constitutional law the same law school that John Cornyn, second in command in the Senate, took but apparently the course did not take with him!
Thank you, Jen for a wonderful and educational interview. It gave me a much fuller understanding and appreciation of the First Amendment and of the ACLU's work than I'd had before (and I took First Amendment law with Archibald Cox in law school!)
And I love your beaded necklace you were wearing today ...
Yes, your necklace is pretty, Jen, and I especially was admiring your yellow top. It is such an uplifting color, very becoming on you, and along with your standing up for free expression in speech, whether or not we agree with the spoken idea, your video was provided added a bit of comfort in color as well as in explanations. I hope the person wronged will be freed soon and unharmed.
Thanks to you both. I could not agree more, but I fear our movement to save our democracy will be too little, too late. It seems to me like we are bringing a pen knife to a gun fight. Our countries legal (justice) Dept. is going to have to indict Trump soon or we can kiss our democracy good bye.
It is not as though there is any shortage on what to indict him on. Just turn on the 6:00 news.
But if we all give up then it's definitely too late ...
Bringing a pen knife to a gunfight is the perfect description of what's going on. On the other hand, Trump can't be indicted for official actions, thanks to the Supreme Court.
It's beginning to look like there could eventually be a role for the patriotic military if Trump sends troops to arrest protesters, or something like that, that is totally unconstitutional and could be the beginning of the end of our democracy.
Sadly, yes.
Do you think Trump will be removed from office?
I "think" that could only happen if the Dems can somehow flip a few in the GOP to their side, so they can take back congress. They could then pass legislation to try to reign him in but that might take 60 votes in the Senate. In addition, the House typically initiates impeachment charges and a hearing and then the Senate would have to agree to review the evidence and vote on it, and right now the GOP control the House and Senate and won't hold him accountable, at all, in any way. This is my understanding. Fortunately the Dems would only need to flip a few GOP moderates, if they can find any with the courage is the problem.
Alesia, love the way you think! Can we all agree to make sure this happens?!
How can we support Mr. Kahlil's wife? FWIW: Perkins Coie also represented Bin Laden's driver, Hamdan, for several years. Big law firm doing God's work.
It is a scare tactic to keep people meek.
Never follow this and fight it!
Tangent, but speaking of universities...Dr. Lakshmi Chilukuri, Second Lady Usha Vance's mother, "has a demonstrated record of commitment to undergraduate education, equity, and diversity. She is one of the founding members of the pilot course in Race, Ethnicity, and Gender in Biology and Medicine, exploring the practice and philosophy of science from a multicultural perspective, the historical use and misuse of science in biomedical research and social policies, and issues of race and medicine..."
I wonder if her funding has been cut. She sounds like she should be public enemy number one of this administration given that her whole career is foundational to establishing a gender- and racial-equity lens on biomedical research.🧐 Is she proud of son-in-law JD Vance?
Jen, thank you so much for this interview. It is good to hear your statements and your guests points. His concluding comment is true everywhere!
The government has not provided a lot of information about this case the speaker says. This suggests that they acted at the behest of Trump on his knee-jerk request. Now they are scrambling to find something that they can attribute as reasoning even if it wasn't there when they made the decision to incarcerate him. Justification after the fact. I think there are rules about this.
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
(Martin Niemoller, WWII)
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Mahmoud Khalil has been served with an NTA in Louisiana which means that he is now in Immigration proceedings to revoke his green card. Not sure what the exact charges are. (h/t @innercitypressinsta)
Good News:
He will not be deported in the foreseeable future
Bad News:
He probably will be in custody for the next 3-5 years.