As per this article, "In February, the National Security Agency, part of the Defense Department that specializes in signals intelligence, had issued a memo warning that Signal was a “high value target to intercept sensitive information.” Apparently the folks running our national defense either cannot read or do not bother to do so. I think what will happen [and should happen] is that the United States of America will no longer receive any intelligence information from allies. As it is said "with friends like these, who needs enemies".
When I was working at a very large multi-national financial institution, I had a lot of insider information on a lot of companies. If I shared that information with anyone outside of my institution or acted upon it myself by buying or selling shares, I would have been rightfully charged with insider trading and ended up in prison, lost my federal bond to do any work in finance and received an extremely large fine. This is something most in finance take to heart and do everything in their power to avoid violating the law or spirit of the law.
While this example is not the same as SignalGate, the same rules should apply to the clown show of the current administration.
Thank you, Barb McQuade, for your comprehensive explanation in a way those of us who don’t speak legalese, can understand. Your explanation clearly warns us of exactly what we are up against with these unqualified trump appointees.
Espionage Act = Treason = why aren’t these people drowning in charges leading to their incarceration or worse? No slack! Off with their heads! At least, get them the hell out of trying to govern!
When Hegseth was confirmed as Secretary of Defense, the most unqualified person for the job, given what was revealed in his background, my concern was that he would someday show up drunk in the situation room. I guess we don't have to worry about that as he could be drunk anywhere with out any witnesses to his capability to work even though this operation should have been run from a secure location with all participants present in that facility or communicating from secure facilities. Using a commercial grade app should be reason enough to fire them all. Even if the messages are encrypted, who developed the encryption and to what standard. I would not trust it at all. Fire Hegseth and bring criminal charges.
I don’t believe any of those incompetents on Signal were the slightest bit concerned that the evil axis had access to their bombing plans. Putin runs them. They probably report daily. I do wonder how Iran’s fatwa against Trump is going.
My concern is for democracies about to be compromised by the runaway clown car careening through White House.
The other four members of the Five Eyes international intelligence group (the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) no doubt have lost faith in the trustworthiness of the fifth member, the United States. It is entirely reasonable to speculate at this time that the other four nations are now jointly reviewing any intelligence that they uncover, and have to agree unanimously before passing along that information to the United States intelligence services.
Is anyone taking any bets that no one will see prosecution or firing over this breach of national security? Hand wringing, and possibly some letters of displeasure will be filed, and that's likely about it.
"The group discussed plans for a military airstrike on Houthi rebels in Yemen, with Secretary of State Pete Hegseth revealing details about the timing, sequencing and types of aircraft for the attack two hours before the operation."
I think Hegseth is Secretary of Defense. Rubio is Secretary of State.
As a retired foreign service officer of 25 years, I regularly wrote things on the classified system, not one of which was remotely as sensitive as a discussion of plans to run a bombing mission. To suggest as these morons do that “nothing classified was discussed” is beyond ludicrous. Easy test: If someone could get killed if this information gets into the wrong hands, it’s classified. They should all be fired; there is absolutely no excusing this.
As per this article, "In February, the National Security Agency, part of the Defense Department that specializes in signals intelligence, had issued a memo warning that Signal was a “high value target to intercept sensitive information.” Apparently the folks running our national defense either cannot read or do not bother to do so. I think what will happen [and should happen] is that the United States of America will no longer receive any intelligence information from allies. As it is said "with friends like these, who needs enemies".
What allies?
:) All the ones we used to have when we had rational and educated Presidents :)
Irene, I am sure the individuals involved in this debacle can read, what I am in doubt of is if they can generally understand what they read.
Or care.
A perfect response, Irene!
When I was working at a very large multi-national financial institution, I had a lot of insider information on a lot of companies. If I shared that information with anyone outside of my institution or acted upon it myself by buying or selling shares, I would have been rightfully charged with insider trading and ended up in prison, lost my federal bond to do any work in finance and received an extremely large fine. This is something most in finance take to heart and do everything in their power to avoid violating the law or spirit of the law.
While this example is not the same as SignalGate, the same rules should apply to the clown show of the current administration.
The National Records Act indeed. Disappearing texts. No record. No archives. No history.
And the rest of it, no honor.
Thank you, Barb McQuade, for your comprehensive explanation in a way those of us who don’t speak legalese, can understand. Your explanation clearly warns us of exactly what we are up against with these unqualified trump appointees.
Espionage Act = Treason = why aren’t these people drowning in charges leading to their incarceration or worse? No slack! Off with their heads! At least, get them the hell out of trying to govern!
The participants in the "chat" need to resign and also be prosecuted.
When Hegseth was confirmed as Secretary of Defense, the most unqualified person for the job, given what was revealed in his background, my concern was that he would someday show up drunk in the situation room. I guess we don't have to worry about that as he could be drunk anywhere with out any witnesses to his capability to work even though this operation should have been run from a secure location with all participants present in that facility or communicating from secure facilities. Using a commercial grade app should be reason enough to fire them all. Even if the messages are encrypted, who developed the encryption and to what standard. I would not trust it at all. Fire Hegseth and bring criminal charges.
I don’t believe any of those incompetents on Signal were the slightest bit concerned that the evil axis had access to their bombing plans. Putin runs them. They probably report daily. I do wonder how Iran’s fatwa against Trump is going.
My concern is for democracies about to be compromised by the runaway clown car careening through White House.
Hegseth and the neighborhood boys were just playing a game of war: To Russia with Love
Another home run from Barb
The other four members of the Five Eyes international intelligence group (the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) no doubt have lost faith in the trustworthiness of the fifth member, the United States. It is entirely reasonable to speculate at this time that the other four nations are now jointly reviewing any intelligence that they uncover, and have to agree unanimously before passing along that information to the United States intelligence services.
Is anyone taking any bets that no one will see prosecution or firing over this breach of national security? Hand wringing, and possibly some letters of displeasure will be filed, and that's likely about it.
"The group discussed plans for a military airstrike on Houthi rebels in Yemen, with Secretary of State Pete Hegseth revealing details about the timing, sequencing and types of aircraft for the attack two hours before the operation."
I think Hegseth is Secretary of Defense. Rubio is Secretary of State.
Yes, we figured out the word switch and overlooked it as we would a typo.
Thank you. 🩷#SIL.
"As Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, disclosed this week,"
As important as his articles were this week, they are STILL BEHIND the PAYWALL at the Atlantic.
When will these articles become available to everyone?!?
As a retired foreign service officer of 25 years, I regularly wrote things on the classified system, not one of which was remotely as sensitive as a discussion of plans to run a bombing mission. To suggest as these morons do that “nothing classified was discussed” is beyond ludicrous. Easy test: If someone could get killed if this information gets into the wrong hands, it’s classified. They should all be fired; there is absolutely no excusing this.