Has anyone considered that the true purpose of the Doge cruelty IS to kill us?
They realize that resources will become scarce if we don’t address climate change, so we’ll continue with fossil fuels, making the oligarchs richer, while decimating the population, so they WON’t HAVE TO SHARE!!!
Has anyone considered that the true purpose of the Doge cruelty IS to kill us?
They realize that resources will become scarce if we don’t address climate change, so we’ll continue with fossil fuels, making the oligarchs richer, while decimating the population, so they WON’t HAVE TO SHARE!!!
I think DOGE is just the latest iteration of MAGA 'kill the poor and the elderly.' Don't forget the number of republicans who claimed, at the height of COVID, that if elderly people really loved this country, they wouldn't mind dying, and they've never had any use for the poor, especially poor children. 'Pro-life' is just a marketing slogan.
Yes, the "pro-life" lie was just a slogan. Their real agenda for women has always been shoving women back into a few narrow roles, approved by Christian nationalists.
The right's true gods have always been Mammon and power-for themselves.
Let's remind our "pro life" elected officials that, in practice, the policies that they are illegally implementing are killing people from the embryo in the woumb to the elderly in the nursing home. Add to the list, people, world wide, who depend on USAID for survival.
When these individuals claim they are pro life they are framing this ideological belief within their personal narrow interpretation of life as originating from either the abstract patriarchal super power of God’s Will or Darwin’s natural selection. A choice of wilful ignorance in both cases.
One can also see the marketing slogan in anyone in the state that is trying to give tax credits to male female married couples w bio kids. Wow where is all that "adoption is good" retoric?
yes. i have considered that. they do want to wipe out old people (save social security money) and poor people (because they hate the poor). and yes, they don't want to share anything.
They don't want to share, but I'm not sure they think about the old, sick and poor. Trump shrugs at the pain of others. Trump's parents stayed home while their eldest son died alone in a hospital. Their emotional detachment surely must have influenced Donald's callous personality. Now, he surrounds himself with people of limited empathy like Musk, or encourages other politicians to be ruthless or be primaried. Ambitious politicians check their empathy and fall in line to keep their jobs.
It sure seems like everything the GOP is pushing would upend the lives of tens of millions of Americans and help trigger the collapse billionaires have been building fortresses, island hideouts, and luxury yachts to withstand.
It's no longer just American lives that are being upended. Our new and defective foreign aid policy, bereft of any empathy, integrity, or compassion has left those who have depended upon our assistance suffering and dying.
They have upended many lives already as they cut many needed agencies, firing people. We are heading to a depression and we will be isolated in the world.
Robots might do the work. By killing off a lot of people, they save money, promote the growth of families who support them, and take all they want of a world with a far smaller population to support. Computerize jobs so people are not needed. No voting would be needed if everybody is in agreement or pays no attention. However, crowd sizes would be smaller. Another glitch is that there would be far fewer customers to buy products as well as to make them. Otherwise, it sounds like somebody’s version of a personal utopia with everything belonging to them. If they become jealous of each other, what then? Or will their varied parts of owned earth start new civilizations to cycle, in decades or centuries to come, into the same types of problems they have been fighting? Will they invent youth preserving pills so it will be theirs forever? Oh my, if such a scenario were to take place, anyone wanting masses of admirers would not have enough of them with a reduced population. Who would be left to be impressed? The people who would be left would become used to whose ever face is present and ignore it as being commonplace. Also, King Midas became very lonely. He was lucky to be able to restore life and life’s needs with water once he recognized the fallacy of his greed.
It seems that saving our democracy and our Constitution plus helping The People of the
U. S. and of the world now is the only path forward. We must continue to preserve and restore it and to do the best we can.
Obviously life would be very, very boring for those billionaires in their doomsday cocoons. Where will they get gourmet food, toys, entertainment, labor? Who will provide medical, dental, and veterinary care? Will there be elite parties? Will they be relegated to virtual sex when their partner(s) get fat or old? It’s obvious they have not thought this through.
Actually, do you think it's possible that we're being invaded by Russia? Clearly, not with tanks and armor, but in a most insidious way, via compromising Trump and many others in power. Putin has America doing self-harm! And there's this from Heather Cox Richardson today:
"Shortly after the election, a newspaper reporter asked Nikolai Patrushev, who is close to Putin, if Trump’s election would mean “positive changes from Russia’s point of view.” Patrushev answered: “To achieve success in the elections, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. And as a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them.”
Russia has already invaded, KSE. Every action Trump has taken has been in the best interests of Russia and against America's interests. (He tried to hand over Ukraine as well but Zelensky refused.) See Rachel Maddie's show from last week.
Putin is our de facto president now. Respond accordingly.
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I've been saying for the last several years that we are in a war and don't even know it. Russia is so far up in our business, it is absolutely war. And China has been feeding our citizens drugs that kill them (plus don't forget COVID- whoops!) And here we sit, eating chips and barking at each other, oblivious that the enemy is within already. I started saying this when it was clear the Russians were gaining direct access via the NRA. And I honestly don't think Trump won this last election. There were inconsistencies that have not been investigated, but must be.
I agree. The election seemed so suspicious. I just don't know why there weren't investigations. I am so depressed about everything. Absolutely no no one I know, really, no one, approves of Trump . I really am so worried that the coming elections will not be fair.
Our option, as citizens, is to, loudly, point this out. We resist in any way that is possible for us. Large companies lose stock value when consumers don't use their products. Boycotts of large companies are easy.
General Colin Powell’s aide Col. Wilkinson has said repeatedly, “The first sign of an empire in decline is when the elites pillage the treasury. It started with Reagan, and here we are.
We have known about these people for as long as there have been human societies. There are always resource hoarders. People utterly unwilling to share for the good of the group. It is what allows people like the Waltons to build a multi-billion dollar business (Walmart/Sam's) based on keeping people part-time so they get no benefits and forcing people who want to provide for their families to seek public assistance while not being paid a living wage. So, in essence these oligarchs are getting richer and richer while their employees are dependent on social programs which are next on the chopping block. Class wars here we come.
NO, the opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference.
They just don't care about us, even recognize that we exist.
They close their tinted windows so that that cannot see us when they drive by us. As long as we are out of their minds, we don't exist. And as long as we don't exist, they don't have to think about us. They can say that they are doing a good thing by cutting wasteful spending. And since the only people who, in their own minds exist are the rich people they can say they are doing a good thing by giving the tax breaks for their hard work for the country and the world. they are secure in their feeling that no one is being hurt - because how can you hurt people who don't exist?
It was exactly this kind of self referencing belief system of the wealthy that led to German industrialists backing Hitler and eventually the creation of the death camps to deal with the collateral damage of their political choice. Actions of the ruling class often have unintended murderous consequences.
Musk's latest comments about Social Security being a big Ponzi scheme and is going broke because people are living too long is a tell. Lift the Social Security tax cap on high earners, and perhaps Social Security will be there for the people currently paying into the system.
No, I don't think that their goal is to kill anyone. Musk and his fellow "tech bro" Far-Right Libertarians have preached for a long time that government services must all be privatized. They believe the only legitimate use for government is defense, courts, and police. Everything else should be subject to capitalism. So, for example, they aren't trying to get rid of social security per se, they just think that Wall Street and fund managers should be paid to invest retirement money for people. Of course, that might mean that people would lose all their retirement savings in a down market, but that's too bad. Banks don't want to be regulated and want to gamble with depositor's money so they want to get rid of the FDIC. And so on---to understand what is going on, it is not just lowering taxes on the wealthy. They already pay very low taxes (e.g., Bezos paid nothing last year). Instead, you have to think "get rid of the deep state," which is any government services beyond defense, courts, and police. That is their ultimate goal. But Dicken's is a good analogy because that is what the world used to be like and would be again if the Far-Right Libertarians get their way.
... and as I've said, medical practices are being bought up by the same finance people and they are making the docs work very hard and skimming off profits. That takes gall when highly specialized docs aren't entering the workforce until their mid-thirties.
@ Nancy: "I don't think that their goal is to kill anyone."
“I don’t think we should try to have people live for a really long time. That it would cause asphyxiation of society because the truth is, most people don’t change their mind,” Musk said. “They just die. So, if they don’t die, we will be stuck with old ideas and society wouldn’t advance.”
I think it is more to break us...then Russia will take over. trump is no strong man !!!!!!!! He is doing either what he has too for the win of the election or what he wants to for the Power...it makes NO DIFFERNCE. putin will find an open window for him...asap - sorry to be so frank ....but you know....you can just sense it all
Too late, Shauna. Russia has already taken over. No need for Putin to get rid of anyone who is doing such a phenomenal job of handing America over to him!
Absolutely. And I think it started with the first Trump administration. This is a president who cares not one bit about anyone but his own inner circle. Brutality is the point. It. Just listen to Trump talk about the people who have suffered climate disasters. No one should forget that he threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans when they have just experienced a devastating hurricane.
Iris S, yes, I think about this, that the not-so-hidden agenda is to kill us and our children. Their world would be so much more pleasant without us--they think. Wait til they have to clean all 18 of their bathrooms themselves.
Has anyone considered that the true purpose of the Doge cruelty IS to kill us?
They realize that resources will become scarce if we don’t address climate change, so we’ll continue with fossil fuels, making the oligarchs richer, while decimating the population, so they WON’t HAVE TO SHARE!!!
I think DOGE is just the latest iteration of MAGA 'kill the poor and the elderly.' Don't forget the number of republicans who claimed, at the height of COVID, that if elderly people really loved this country, they wouldn't mind dying, and they've never had any use for the poor, especially poor children. 'Pro-life' is just a marketing slogan.
Yes, the "pro-life" lie was just a slogan. Their real agenda for women has always been shoving women back into a few narrow roles, approved by Christian nationalists.
The right's true gods have always been Mammon and power-for themselves.
Let's remind our "pro life" elected officials that, in practice, the policies that they are illegally implementing are killing people from the embryo in the woumb to the elderly in the nursing home. Add to the list, people, world wide, who depend on USAID for survival.
When these individuals claim they are pro life they are framing this ideological belief within their personal narrow interpretation of life as originating from either the abstract patriarchal super power of God’s Will or Darwin’s natural selection. A choice of wilful ignorance in both cases.
Which is why an increasing number of pregnant women in Texas are developing sepsis.
One can also see the marketing slogan in anyone in the state that is trying to give tax credits to male female married couples w bio kids. Wow where is all that "adoption is good" retoric?
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yes. i have considered that. they do want to wipe out old people (save social security money) and poor people (because they hate the poor). and yes, they don't want to share anything.
They don't want to share, but I'm not sure they think about the old, sick and poor. Trump shrugs at the pain of others. Trump's parents stayed home while their eldest son died alone in a hospital. Their emotional detachment surely must have influenced Donald's callous personality. Now, he surrounds himself with people of limited empathy like Musk, or encourages other politicians to be ruthless or be primaried. Ambitious politicians check their empathy and fall in line to keep their jobs.
I, too believe that is their plan.
It sure seems like everything the GOP is pushing would upend the lives of tens of millions of Americans and help trigger the collapse billionaires have been building fortresses, island hideouts, and luxury yachts to withstand.
It's no longer just American lives that are being upended. Our new and defective foreign aid policy, bereft of any empathy, integrity, or compassion has left those who have depended upon our assistance suffering and dying.
They have upended many lives already as they cut many needed agencies, firing people. We are heading to a depression and we will be isolated in the world.
And who will serve them in those fortresses, island hideouts, and luxury yachts if the "underclass" dies?
And who will mow their lawns, clean their houses & take care of their kids after all the hard-working immigrants have been deported?
If history tells, they will simply enslave the vulnerable and non conformist members of their immediate families to fulfil these daily menial tasks.
Robots might do the work. By killing off a lot of people, they save money, promote the growth of families who support them, and take all they want of a world with a far smaller population to support. Computerize jobs so people are not needed. No voting would be needed if everybody is in agreement or pays no attention. However, crowd sizes would be smaller. Another glitch is that there would be far fewer customers to buy products as well as to make them. Otherwise, it sounds like somebody’s version of a personal utopia with everything belonging to them. If they become jealous of each other, what then? Or will their varied parts of owned earth start new civilizations to cycle, in decades or centuries to come, into the same types of problems they have been fighting? Will they invent youth preserving pills so it will be theirs forever? Oh my, if such a scenario were to take place, anyone wanting masses of admirers would not have enough of them with a reduced population. Who would be left to be impressed? The people who would be left would become used to whose ever face is present and ignore it as being commonplace. Also, King Midas became very lonely. He was lucky to be able to restore life and life’s needs with water once he recognized the fallacy of his greed.
It seems that saving our democracy and our Constitution plus helping The People of the
U. S. and of the world now is the only path forward. We must continue to preserve and restore it and to do the best we can.
They'll eventually turn on each other.
Obviously life would be very, very boring for those billionaires in their doomsday cocoons. Where will they get gourmet food, toys, entertainment, labor? Who will provide medical, dental, and veterinary care? Will there be elite parties? Will they be relegated to virtual sex when their partner(s) get fat or old? It’s obvious they have not thought this through.
Actually, do you think it's possible that we're being invaded by Russia? Clearly, not with tanks and armor, but in a most insidious way, via compromising Trump and many others in power. Putin has America doing self-harm! And there's this from Heather Cox Richardson today:
"Shortly after the election, a newspaper reporter asked Nikolai Patrushev, who is close to Putin, if Trump’s election would mean “positive changes from Russia’s point of view.” Patrushev answered: “To achieve success in the elections, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. And as a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them.”
WHAT are our options now??
Russia has already invaded, KSE. Every action Trump has taken has been in the best interests of Russia and against America's interests. (He tried to hand over Ukraine as well but Zelensky refused.) See Rachel Maddie's show from last week.
Putin is our de facto president now. Respond accordingly.
Rachel Maddow. Darn autocorrect.
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Ah - thank you, Nancy.
I've been saying for the last several years that we are in a war and don't even know it. Russia is so far up in our business, it is absolutely war. And China has been feeding our citizens drugs that kill them (plus don't forget COVID- whoops!) And here we sit, eating chips and barking at each other, oblivious that the enemy is within already. I started saying this when it was clear the Russians were gaining direct access via the NRA. And I honestly don't think Trump won this last election. There were inconsistencies that have not been investigated, but must be.
I agree. The election seemed so suspicious. I just don't know why there weren't investigations. I am so depressed about everything. Absolutely no no one I know, really, no one, approves of Trump . I really am so worried that the coming elections will not be fair.
Do not despair. Put your concerns into actions. Many are with you. Together, we can make this right.
My thoughts exactly.
Just read that $trump's administration is working with Putin to re-open Nordstream 2. One of his "obligations"?
Our option, as citizens, is to, loudly, point this out. We resist in any way that is possible for us. Large companies lose stock value when consumers don't use their products. Boycotts of large companies are easy.
I read that too I wonder the same thing.
@ Iris: The true pupose of DOGE is to steal the national treasury.
Those American oligharchs are marks, along with the rest of us.
The antidote is impeach the bastards. Check this out. https://jerryweiss.substack.com/p/stand-with-ukraine-slava-ukraini?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=zc69i&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
General Colin Powell’s aide Col. Wilkinson has said repeatedly, “The first sign of an empire in decline is when the elites pillage the treasury. It started with Reagan, and here we are.
We have known about these people for as long as there have been human societies. There are always resource hoarders. People utterly unwilling to share for the good of the group. It is what allows people like the Waltons to build a multi-billion dollar business (Walmart/Sam's) based on keeping people part-time so they get no benefits and forcing people who want to provide for their families to seek public assistance while not being paid a living wage. So, in essence these oligarchs are getting richer and richer while their employees are dependent on social programs which are next on the chopping block. Class wars here we come.
To kill us, they would have to hate us.
NO, the opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference.
They just don't care about us, even recognize that we exist.
They close their tinted windows so that that cannot see us when they drive by us. As long as we are out of their minds, we don't exist. And as long as we don't exist, they don't have to think about us. They can say that they are doing a good thing by cutting wasteful spending. And since the only people who, in their own minds exist are the rich people they can say they are doing a good thing by giving the tax breaks for their hard work for the country and the world. they are secure in their feeling that no one is being hurt - because how can you hurt people who don't exist?
It was exactly this kind of self referencing belief system of the wealthy that led to German industrialists backing Hitler and eventually the creation of the death camps to deal with the collateral damage of their political choice. Actions of the ruling class often have unintended murderous consequences.
Musk's latest comments about Social Security being a big Ponzi scheme and is going broke because people are living too long is a tell. Lift the Social Security tax cap on high earners, and perhaps Social Security will be there for the people currently paying into the system.
No, I don't think that their goal is to kill anyone. Musk and his fellow "tech bro" Far-Right Libertarians have preached for a long time that government services must all be privatized. They believe the only legitimate use for government is defense, courts, and police. Everything else should be subject to capitalism. So, for example, they aren't trying to get rid of social security per se, they just think that Wall Street and fund managers should be paid to invest retirement money for people. Of course, that might mean that people would lose all their retirement savings in a down market, but that's too bad. Banks don't want to be regulated and want to gamble with depositor's money so they want to get rid of the FDIC. And so on---to understand what is going on, it is not just lowering taxes on the wealthy. They already pay very low taxes (e.g., Bezos paid nothing last year). Instead, you have to think "get rid of the deep state," which is any government services beyond defense, courts, and police. That is their ultimate goal. But Dicken's is a good analogy because that is what the world used to be like and would be again if the Far-Right Libertarians get their way.
... and as I've said, medical practices are being bought up by the same finance people and they are making the docs work very hard and skimming off profits. That takes gall when highly specialized docs aren't entering the workforce until their mid-thirties.
@ Nancy: "I don't think that their goal is to kill anyone."
“I don’t think we should try to have people live for a really long time. That it would cause asphyxiation of society because the truth is, most people don’t change their mind,” Musk said. “They just die. So, if they don’t die, we will be stuck with old ideas and society wouldn’t advance.”
- Elon Musk, Fox Business, March 27, 2022
https://merionwest.com/2023/04/04/elon-musks-bad-take-on-longevity/
Elon Musk’s Looming Disease Holocaust: https://prospect.org/world/2025-03-03-musk-doge-pepfar-hiv-tuberculosis/
"Elon Musk had decided that he wants you, yes you, dead, & for the next month he will use any & all resources at his disposal to reach this end. " https://www.reddit.com/r/hypotheticalsituation/comments/180jt12/elon_musk_had_decided_that_he_wants_you_yes_you/
They want to create a new world order, the ruling billionaire oligarchs and the rest of us who will remain slaves.
I think it is more to break us...then Russia will take over. trump is no strong man !!!!!!!! He is doing either what he has too for the win of the election or what he wants to for the Power...it makes NO DIFFERNCE. putin will find an open window for him...asap - sorry to be so frank ....but you know....you can just sense it all
Too late, Shauna. Russia has already taken over. No need for Putin to get rid of anyone who is doing such a phenomenal job of handing America over to him!
Trumps autocratic Fascist takeover is going well. We need to throw some monkey wrenches in their gear box.
1. Attend town hall meetings and ask important questions.
2. Encourage the press to ask hard questions to Trump, Musk and all Republicans at all press meetings.
3. Constantly publish and fight against the dismantling of Americas democracy.
I am not typing here for nothing. I believe in America and American democracy.
Absolutely. And I think it started with the first Trump administration. This is a president who cares not one bit about anyone but his own inner circle. Brutality is the point. It. Just listen to Trump talk about the people who have suffered climate disasters. No one should forget that he threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans when they have just experienced a devastating hurricane.
And then they would continue fighting amoung themselves. We are all animals, we fight for dominance.
Iris S, yes, I think about this, that the not-so-hidden agenda is to kill us and our children. Their world would be so much more pleasant without us--they think. Wait til they have to clean all 18 of their bathrooms themselves.
Pretty sure they don't give a crap about climate change. But they sure don't give a crap about the poor.