What pissed Vance and Trump off, was Zelensky correctly pointing out that they already had a peace deal, in 2019, that Putin broke and that Putin, therefore, could not be trusted.
He was simply pointing out that we have already been there and done that.
And Trump and Vance went off the rails based on this simple factual statement.
What pissed Vance and Trump off, was Zelensky correctly pointing out that they already had a peace deal, in 2019, that Putin broke and that Putin, therefore, could not be trusted.
He was simply pointing out that we have already been there and done that.
And Trump and Vance went off the rails based on this simple factual statement.
He also pointed out that the invasion by Russia started in 2014, and that the war, in reality has lasted though 3 presidents and now Trump again.
Trump does not want his base to know this.
Thus, the whole reason for all the shouting over Zelensky is because Trump and Vance do not want their supporters to know the facts that Zelensky was simply mentioning.
Trump and the GOP tell their base that an invasion first began under Biden, not the fact that Putin did not back down under Trump.
Zelensky, by simply explaining his rational position, was undermining Trump's propaganda, so Trump and Vance started trying to drown him out by yelling loudly and to discredit him.
Trump wants people to think that the war started under Biden and does not want his base to know that Putin did not back down under Trump's first term, and even broke the agreement signed in 2019. There has been a battle on the border for over a decade.
Vance and Trump were yelling because they are desperate for their base not to hear the truth and likely because they had found out that Zelensky would not go along with whatever harebrained scheme Trump was offering.
Also, we have NOT given them over 300 billion, like Trump claims, in fact the EU have now provided far more support for Ukraine.
It seems to me that Trump and Vance had already cooked up something with Putin and could not get Zelensky on board and were furious that their plan to bully him did not work.
Bang pots and pans at 9 pm Eastern for Ukraine (like we did for covid heroes) and do it every day until our government gets the message. Someone help spread the message.
I'm sure the parents with infants and young children as well as chronically ill people will Not appreciate your efforts. How about standing outside, waving signs and talking to people instead?
Yes, Zelensky was the hero and truth-teller in the room, confronted by a couple of Mob thugs armed only with bluster and lies.
Our erstwhile allies, seeing this, would do well not to trust this iteration of America. We are weakened in a world where one needs friends. If our new "friends" are Russia and North Korea, it is we American citizens who should fear for our own futures.
Correctly stated. Every point a lie, a gross disfigurement of the truth, complete with screaming and faked "outrage", like a canned laugh-track, to be replayed endlessly on Russian State TV to bolster the humiliation and amplify the lies. This entire event has Putin's fingerprints all over it.
What also concerns me is that before things got quite as heated, as Zelensky started to explain the history of the war, Trump actually leaned in and was listening and even asked about 2015 and Zelensky corrected him and said the first invasion was in 2014 and Trump seemed happy for a moment, like the thought crossed his mind that at least he was not president when the war originally started.
The rest is just my speculation from what I saw and have seen...
Trump seemed to know nothing at all about the origins of the war.
Then as Zelensky went on to explain there had already been a peace deal in 2019 that had been broken by Putin, Vance got even louder with the "thank you" nonsense to cover all of that explanation up and Vance's outrage then triggered Trump, as well. Like Trump thought, OK here is where I should be outraged too.
It seemed that they were not only covering this up because it interfered with their propaganda, but that Trump seemed to have zero clue about the history of the war and was simply taking all of his cues from Vance.
With Vance's speech in Munich and Musk's speech to the AfD, as well, one wonders who is pulling the strings and who might be operatives charged with manipulating this mentally doddering old fool of a POTUS.
In meetings and press conferences, it seems Trump is also letting others dominate the conversation more and more, weather it be Vance or Musk, etc. and just sits there looking annoyed and bored.
First of all, I'm not sure he really wants to be president, and second, I am concerned about possible dementia, although with Trump being so informed about most things, it can be hard to tell.
If not for the potential for court cases to reemerge and his father instilling never be a loser or quitter into him, I could see him resigning to play golf which he seems to be spending most of his time doing, anyway.
We must never forget just how ignorant, illiterate, incurious and just plain dumb Trump is, always has been. I doubt he's read a single book in his wretchedly long life (save for Hitler's speeches). His first Secretary of State summed it up well: the guy's "a fucking moron." Your suspicions about Vance make sense -- interrupt and yell, not just to kick Zelenskyy in the face, but to divert attention from Trump's gobsmacking stupidity. And the fawning MAGA media snd wormtongues lapped it all up like white on rice. Zelenskyy "got his dander up" "would not accept criticism" "acted like an entitled child." All falling in line like good little voidoids, with Little Beta Lindsey serving as cheerleader.
Does anyone have an email address we can use to send our support to Zelensky and apologize for our idiot-in-chief's disgraceful behavior yesterday? Also, what is the best way to send $$ support to Ukraine defense fund?
Trump is known for walking into a room and pushing a finger into another's chest during his "art of the deal days". Trump has always been a little boy with sand in his diapers playing alone in his sandbox. Always posturing. He's angry because the grift didn't go his way
There are no real words to describe what went down yesterday at 1600 PA. I can't even watch the video in its entirety, to much rage.
America as a country now stands alone on the world stage. We aren't even united in these United States.
What pissed Vance and Trump off, was Zelensky correctly pointing out that they already had a peace deal, in 2019, that Putin broke and that Putin, therefore, could not be trusted.
He was simply pointing out that we have already been there and done that.
And Trump and Vance went off the rails based on this simple factual statement.
He also pointed out that the invasion by Russia started in 2014, and that the war, in reality has lasted though 3 presidents and now Trump again.
Trump does not want his base to know this.
Thus, the whole reason for all the shouting over Zelensky is because Trump and Vance do not want their supporters to know the facts that Zelensky was simply mentioning.
Trump and the GOP tell their base that an invasion first began under Biden, not the fact that Putin did not back down under Trump.
Zelensky, by simply explaining his rational position, was undermining Trump's propaganda, so Trump and Vance started trying to drown him out by yelling loudly and to discredit him.
Trump wants people to think that the war started under Biden and does not want his base to know that Putin did not back down under Trump's first term, and even broke the agreement signed in 2019. There has been a battle on the border for over a decade.
Vance and Trump were yelling because they are desperate for their base not to hear the truth and likely because they had found out that Zelensky would not go along with whatever harebrained scheme Trump was offering.
Also, we have NOT given them over 300 billion, like Trump claims, in fact the EU have now provided far more support for Ukraine.
It seems to me that Trump and Vance had already cooked up something with Putin and could not get Zelensky on board and were furious that their plan to bully him did not work.
A ceasefire without guarantees cannot be in Ukraine's interests. The ceasefire would just let Russia rest and regroup. That's what they want.
Good for Zelenskyy standing up to PINO. It's an embarrassment for the U.S.
Bang pots and pans at 9 pm Eastern for Ukraine (like we did for covid heroes) and do it every day until our government gets the message. Someone help spread the message.
I was the only one in my area banging pots and pans today, at 6 pm Pacific time, but it was fun, anyway. I'll keep going tomorrow.
Pots and pans to scare away bears, Russian bears, and to remind Zelensky we are with him.
I'm sure the parents with infants and young children as well as chronically ill people will Not appreciate your efforts. How about standing outside, waving signs and talking to people instead?
We have already been doing as you suggest.
you nailed it.
Yes, Zelensky was the hero and truth-teller in the room, confronted by a couple of Mob thugs armed only with bluster and lies.
Our erstwhile allies, seeing this, would do well not to trust this iteration of America. We are weakened in a world where one needs friends. If our new "friends" are Russia and North Korea, it is we American citizens who should fear for our own futures.
Correctly stated. Every point a lie, a gross disfigurement of the truth, complete with screaming and faked "outrage", like a canned laugh-track, to be replayed endlessly on Russian State TV to bolster the humiliation and amplify the lies. This entire event has Putin's fingerprints all over it.
What also concerns me is that before things got quite as heated, as Zelensky started to explain the history of the war, Trump actually leaned in and was listening and even asked about 2015 and Zelensky corrected him and said the first invasion was in 2014 and Trump seemed happy for a moment, like the thought crossed his mind that at least he was not president when the war originally started.
The rest is just my speculation from what I saw and have seen...
Trump seemed to know nothing at all about the origins of the war.
Then as Zelensky went on to explain there had already been a peace deal in 2019 that had been broken by Putin, Vance got even louder with the "thank you" nonsense to cover all of that explanation up and Vance's outrage then triggered Trump, as well. Like Trump thought, OK here is where I should be outraged too.
It seemed that they were not only covering this up because it interfered with their propaganda, but that Trump seemed to have zero clue about the history of the war and was simply taking all of his cues from Vance.
With Vance's speech in Munich and Musk's speech to the AfD, as well, one wonders who is pulling the strings and who might be operatives charged with manipulating this mentally doddering old fool of a POTUS.
In meetings and press conferences, it seems Trump is also letting others dominate the conversation more and more, weather it be Vance or Musk, etc. and just sits there looking annoyed and bored.
First of all, I'm not sure he really wants to be president, and second, I am concerned about possible dementia, although with Trump being so informed about most things, it can be hard to tell.
If not for the potential for court cases to reemerge and his father instilling never be a loser or quitter into him, I could see him resigning to play golf which he seems to be spending most of his time doing, anyway.
We must never forget just how ignorant, illiterate, incurious and just plain dumb Trump is, always has been. I doubt he's read a single book in his wretchedly long life (save for Hitler's speeches). His first Secretary of State summed it up well: the guy's "a fucking moron." Your suspicions about Vance make sense -- interrupt and yell, not just to kick Zelenskyy in the face, but to divert attention from Trump's gobsmacking stupidity. And the fawning MAGA media snd wormtongues lapped it all up like white on rice. Zelenskyy "got his dander up" "would not accept criticism" "acted like an entitled child." All falling in line like good little voidoids, with Little Beta Lindsey serving as cheerleader.
A real shitshow served on a saltine cracker.
He cannot even be bothered to read his intelligence briefings, no matter how simplistic the staff make them.
Does anyone have an email address we can use to send our support to Zelensky and apologize for our idiot-in-chief's disgraceful behavior yesterday? Also, what is the best way to send $$ support to Ukraine defense fund?
Nancy,
You can check this one out:
https://u24.gov.ua/
Thank you. Donation made!
Trump is known for walking into a room and pushing a finger into another's chest during his "art of the deal days". Trump has always been a little boy with sand in his diapers playing alone in his sandbox. Always posturing. He's angry because the grift didn't go his way
There are no real words to describe what went down yesterday at 1600 PA. I can't even watch the video in its entirety, to much rage.
America as a country now stands alone on the world stage. We aren't even united in these United States.